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The Big 12 race is an absolute mess right now, but let's try and sort some things out after another crazy weekend of football. There are just five teams left in the race, with West Virginia and Kansas both being eliminated with their third conference losses in Week 11.

Here's the top five as things stand on Sunday morning:

1.  Texas (9-1, 6-1)

T-2. Oklahoma State (8-2, 5-2)
T-2. Oklahoma (8-2, 5-2)
T-2. Iowa State (6-4, 5-2)
T-2. Kansas State (7-3, 5-2)

As of right now, we have what the Big 12 conference calls a multi-team tie, which has different tiebreaker rules than a two-team tie.

Here's what the conference rules state in this case, courtesy of the Big 12 Website:

In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

1. Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not, every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.

2. Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.

  1. When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.

3. Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie).

4. Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).

5. Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:

  1. Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
  2. Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.

6. Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.

7. Coin toss

So, if the Big 12 Championship were to be played today, it would be Texas vs. Oklahoma State, as the Pokes have the best H-2-H record against the other teams tied for second place, at 2-1. Oklahoma is 1-1, Iowa State is 1-1, and K-State is 0-1. However, Iowa State is set to play both Texas and Kansas State in the next two weeks, so this will change several times between now and December 2.

You can find Bryan Clinton on Twitter at @BClinton40.

This is great info, Bryan.

So OSU still controls its own destiny, so to speak, along with Texas. KSU and ISU have two big games this weekend, KU and UT, respectively, and then play each other in Week 13. GOSH this is going to be a fun next two weeks.

I'll have to read that a few more times to grasp what it says. Anyway the announcers for the BYU-ISU game said a few times that if ISU wins out they would be in the CCG.

  1. That is a tall order but if they won those two games it would give Texas two losses and probably eliminate KSU. I'm too tired to figure out how that scenario would eliminate three other contenders.
  2. Is there a  scenario that would eliminate  a two loss Texas? I'm sure there is someone out there who can read these rules and figure it out if there is one.
  3. Is a third loss a guarantee of elimination for the remaining contenders?

I think you guys are reading the tie breaker rule incorrectly.  If OU, OSU, and KSU end up tied for 2nd Head to Head would not come into play OU and KSU did not play.  If all favorites win out KSU has inside track from what I read.

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Let me just get this on the thread because it affects the playoffs. BYU is not pulling its weight in the Conference. No excuses, a total embarrassment.

“It was bullcrap,” Sitake told the BYU Sports Radio Network as he left the field at halftime. “Not happy with what we are doing. Embarrassing football right now in all three phases.”

And that continued into the second half.

10:00 AM game vs OU next week. Something's got to change and soon.

Quote from hmorgan on November 12, 2023, 11:39 am

I think you guys are reading the tie breaker rule incorrectly.  If OU, OSU, and KSU end up tied for 2nd Head to Head would not come into play OU and KSU did not play.  If all favorites win out KSU has inside track from what I read.

I think you're right @hmorgan ... the more I'm reading this...

I just did my Week 11 reaction show and admit I'm totally confused on the tiebreakers... has anyone made sense of it anywhere, yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vME6Fxu3nug&t=1s

Also noting, everyone is sharing this simulation site: mred's Big 12 FB Standings Generator (notnothing.net)

I am not buying it as the author says it's his interpretation of the tiebreakers so.... does he/she even know?!

I read the tiebreaker rules last night and it made my brain hurt so much I though I had too much Tito's and soda. Also possible I had too much Tito's and soda and reading the tiebreaker rules made my brain hurt.

I get everyone can't play everyone, but if head-to-head gets ruled out because certain teams haven't played each other then we need new tiebreakers, IMHO.

First, with Iowa State still to play Texas and Kansas State, I'm going to project at least one of those to be losses.  Accordingly, I don't think ISU will be in the 2-loss mix.

Second, I can't imagine a 3-way tie breaker (OSU/OU/KSU) scenario where one team has a win against both the other teams to be resolved in any way except in favor of the 2-0 team.  That favors OSU.

Third, I think in any 3-way tie-breaker scenario, the rules will eventually eliminate one team.  At that point, it reverts back to 2-team head-to-head result.  Against either OU or KSU, that favors OSU.

So in my opinion, if both Texas and Oklahoma State win out, that will be the Championship match-up.  But I could be wrong.  We really don't know given these rules have never been applied before for us to know how they should be interpreted.

 

 

 

Think about this... the rules are so stupid we are all here debating them. And this is a smart group. This is ridiculous from the BIG 12.

Oh, and @mpostins and his Tito's and soda, he says that as if his Saturday night was going to any up any other way... as if reading the Big 12 rules was his excuse to have one. I can promise you, it's not!

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